♪♪ ♪♪ THE CONTRARY": FIRST, A VIRAL PHOTO OF PELOSI VERSUS TRUMP.

THEN THE NEXT STEP FOR #METOO: #METOOVOTERS.

AND FAIRNESS AND FEMALE TRANSGENDER ATHLETES.

HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

WELCOME FEMALE TRANSGENDER ATHLETES.

HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

WELCOME TO b DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, PELOSI V. TRUMP.

PRESIDENT TRUMP PEPPERED HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI WITH PERHAPS HIS MOST INSULTING DIATRIBE SO FAR AGAINST THE MOST POWERFUL WOMAN IN CONGRESS.

HE CALLED HER A THIRD-RATE POLITICIANS AND WAS SO RUDE TO HER AND OTHER DEMOCRATIC LEADERS, THEY WALKED OUT OF A MEETING ABOUT THE WITHDRAWAL OF US TROOPS FROM SYRIA.

TRUMP THEN TWEETED THIS PICTURE OF PELOSI CHASTISING TRUMP SAYING, b TO PUTIN.b b MELTDOWN.b IT WAS ACTUALLY THE PRESIDENT WHO HAD A MELTDOWN DUE TO THE BI-PARTISAN VOTE CONDEMNING TRUMP'S SYRIA POLICY, AND SHE SAID b HEALTH.b TWITTER PAGE TO HIGHLIGHT THE PICTURE.

CONGRESSMAN NORTON, IS A CLOSE ALLY AND FRIEND OF THE MOST POWERFUL WOMAN IN CONGRESS, PROBABLY IN POLITICS IN THE UNITED STATES, IS TRUMP MORE INSULTING TO HER THAN HE IS TO MILLILITERS?

>> HE BETTER NOT TRY IT AGAIN.

NOT AFTER NANCY'S TWEET OF HER LITERALLY STANDING UP TO HIM WENT VIRAL.

>> I THINK PRESIDENT TRUMP IS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY OFFENDER WHEN IT COMES TO NAME-CALLING AND TREATING PEOPLE BADLY.

I DON'T THINK HE DID ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY TO HER.

>> TRUMP IS A TOTAL SEXIST AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT.

WITH PELOSI, HE FOUND SOMEONE WHO COULD TAKE HIM ON LIKE NO ONE ELSE.

>> HE IS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY COMBATANT.

HE STANDS UP NO MATTER WHO'S GOING AFTER HIM, MALE, FEMALE, ANY RACE, BACKGROUND.

IT'S ABOUT GETTING THE RIGHT POLICY.

>> HE NEVER SAID ABOUT MEN THAT YOU CAN GRAB THEM BY THE GENITALS AND THEY LOVE IT, DID HE?

>> WELL, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TOPIC.

WELL, AND IF THE FACT THAT NANCY PELOSI USE THAT PHOTO IN THE PRESIDENT USE THE PHOTO TO ME SHOWS THEY WERE ACTUALLY USING EACH OTHER WHICH IS REALLY WHAT THE TAPE WAS GETTING AT.

THE TAPE IS USING THE FACT WHEN YOU ARE A CELEBRITY, PEOPLE, WOMEN TRY TO USE YOU.

THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT.

WHEN IT COMES TO POLITICS, PEOPLE HAVE MUTUALLY A SHORT BENEFITS OR COMBATANTS AND THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.

THE FACT THAT BOTH OF THEM USE THE PHOTO TO ME SHOWS THEY WERE BOTH AFTER SOMETHING.

>> LOOK, HE HAS NOT TRIED TO STAND UP TO HER.

HE HAS GONE LIGHT ON HER UP UNTIL NOW.

LOOK, WE ARE DOING IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS -- >> WHY DO YOU THINK HE'S GONE LIGHT ON HER?

>> THAT'S IT.

HE DID NOT KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THIS WOMAN, AND THEREFORE HE HAS NOT BEEN AS VIRAL ON HER AS HE HAS BEEN ON MEN IN THE PAST.

I THINK THIS REFLECTS WHAT'S HAPPENING TO HIM IN OUR IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY NOW.HE IS LOST IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

YOU SAW THAT VOTE AGAINST HIS SYRIA POLICY WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO ATTRACT EVEN MOST OF THE REPUBLICANS.

SO WHEN HER PHOTO COMES UP LIKE THIS, SHE FINALLY HAS HAD IT.

AND HE TRY SOMETHING THAT HE THINKS WILL WORK, EVEN ON A WOMAN, AND IT JUST FALLS FLAT, OR SHE STANDS UP ON HIM.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT TO -- >> I WOULD DISAGREE ON IMPEACHMENT BECAUSE SPEAKER PELOSI WILL NOT TAKE AN ACTUAL VOTE TO PROCEED ON IMPEACHMENT.

SHE'S AFRAID BECAUSE IF SHE KNOWS SHE HAS TO GET HER DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS FROM -- >> WHAT ABOUT THEM SCHEDULING AND NOW?

>> SHE SAID SHE WOULD NOT.

SHE IS USING THE SECRET BEHIND CLOSED DOORS COMMITTEE PROCESS RATHER THAN TAKING IT TO THE FULL FLOOR -- >> THAT'S NOT TRUE.

I HAVE TO CORRECT THAT.

THERE DOES NOT NEED TO BE A VOTE ON AN INQUIRY, AND SHE -- THERE HAS TO BE A VOTE ON IMPEACHMENT BUT NOT ON AN INQUIRY.

AN INQUIRY IS AN INVESTIGATION.

SHE MAY BE TRYING TO SHIELD, REALLY, A TINY HANDFUL OF DEMOCRATS FROM SWING DISTRICTS.

BUT WE'VE GOT THE VOTES FOR THE INQUIRY.

FRANKLY, WE'VE GOT THE VOTES FOR IMPEACHMENT.

>> NANCY PELOSI KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT SHE'S DOING.

LOOK, THIS WOMAN KNOWS HOW TO OPERATE AND USE POWER AND WIELD POWER AND BUILD POWER LIKE NO ONE ELSE IN THIS COUNTRY AND THAT'S WHY TRUMP IS SO AFRAID OF HER.

>> SHE IS A FUNDRAISING MACHINE LIKE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS NEVER SEEN.

>> I LITERALLY WOKE UP WHEN -- ONE DAY AS THIS WAS UNFOLDING WITH UKRAINE AND THANKED GOD THAT SHE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS ANYONE ELSE WHO'S BETTER EQUIPPED TO HELP US.

WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS IN THE UNITED STATES, OUR DEMOCRACY IS UNDER ATTACK FROM AN AUTHORITARIAN DICTATOR.

IT WILL TAKE ALL OF US COMING TOGETHER TO GET TO YOU THE OTHER SIDE.

SHE KNOWS HOW TO MOVE THIS FORWARD AND DOING A GREAT JOB.

>> I MUST AGREE SHE'S A MASTER STRATEGIST.

I THINK THAT'S ONE THING I'VE COME TO ADMIRE HER ABOUT.

WHAT I DISAGREE WITH, ERIN, I DO THINK TRUMP IS SCARED OF ANYONE.

THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO, BECAUSE HE OUGHT TO BE SCARED OF THE PEOPLE IN HIS OWN ADMINISTRATION LIKE IS ACTING CHIEF OF STAFF MICK MULVANEY LOU SLIPPED IN FRONT OF THE PRESS COURT YESTERDAY AND ISSUING A WALKBACK STATEMENT TWO HOURS LATER I THINK IT WAS.

>> WHY WOULD HE BE AFRAID OF HIS STAFF DOING IT IF HE DOES IT ALL THE TIME?

>> HE'S AFRAID THEY WILL BE THE ONES BREAKING DOWN.

HE KNOWS HE HAS THE POWER OF THE BULLY PULPIT.

>> HASN'T GIULIANI BROKEN HIM DOWN AND MADE HIM MORE VULNERABLE TO THIS IMPEACHMENT THAN ANYBODY ACTUALLY ON HIS STAFF AT THE WHITE HOUSE?

>> I THINK NOW MICK MULVANEY HAS TOP RUDY GIULIANI AND NOT.

THE NEW CYCLE HAS US ALL FATIGUED BECAUSE EVERY WEEKEND DAY THERE IS SOMETHING THAT COMES UP.

BUT YESTERDAY, I THINK WHAT WE SAW IS THAT NANCY PELOSI, THE SPEAKER, HER HAND WILL BE FORCED TO PUSH THIS BOAT ONTO THE HOUSE FLOOR FASTER THAN EXPECTED.

I THINK SHE HAS TRIED TO DO THAT TO BE CLEAN AND ESSENTIALLY TRY TO MAKE THIS SEEM LIKE A VERY HONEST PROCESS .

AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT PULLS PAGES FROM THE DICTATOR'S PLAYBOOK EVERY DAY.

I DON'T THINK IS REPUBLICAN, I DON'T THINK IS ANYTHING, EVEN HUMAN.

>> I THINK THAT TYPE AÃTHAT SHE SAID DICTATOR, USE THE DICTATOR.

I JUST DON'T THINK -- WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT HE'S DOING -- >> ATTEMPTED DICTATOR.

>> THIS IS ABOUT HIS POLICIES.

>> HIS POLICIES ARE LIMITING THE SCOPE AND INTRUSION OF GOVERNMENT IN YOUR LIFE.

HE'S PROTECTING AMERICAN CITIZENS, AFRICAN-AMERICAN WORKERS.

THE FACT THAT THE DOJ UNDER BARACK OBAMA, CIVIL RIGHTS COMMISSION, ISSUED A REPORT LOOKING AT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND HOW IT HURTS AFRICAN-AMERICAN MALE WORKERS IN THIS COUNTRY AND PROTECTING AMERICAN U.S. CITIZENS, THAT'S WHAT A VALID LEADER SHOULD BE DOING.

A DICTATOR WOULD ALLOW ANYONE TO COME IN AND NOT ACTUALLY CARE FOR YOUR OWN CITIZENS.

>> DEMOCRACY IS IN BETTER SHAPE THAN THAT.

>> THAT'S WHAT DEMOCRATS WANT [CROSS TALK] >> ELIZABETH WARREN ENDORSED DECRIMINALIZING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

>> WAIT A SECOND.

>> AND A LOT OF THE DEMOCRATS, THERE ARE MANY DEMOCRATS WHO BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE CRIMINALIZED.

>> LOOK, DON'T PULL AFRICAN-AMERICANS OUT OF YOUR HAT FOR TRUMP.

AFRICAN-AMERICANS LEAD IN OPPOSING TRUMP.

HE'S SO GREAT FOR US, I DON'T KNOW WHY MORE OF US ARE NOT FOR HIM.

>> IT'S BECAUSE IT'S BEHAVIOR IS SO BORING.

AS A MOTHER NOW, I THINK FOR MYSELF AÃTHAT SHE HAD TO BE BELIEVED AT A RALLY LAST WEEK.

THAT'S ABSOLUTELY INSANE TO ME THAT THIS MAN IS NOT A LEADER.

HE IS A SHAM OF A HUMAN.

HE DOES A PATCHING GO STRATEGY EVERYDAY AND BASED ON WHAT THE CABLES SAY ABOUT HIM.

HE JUST WANTS TO BE LIKED.

HE'S LIKE SOMEONE I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL, OR NARCISSUS.

HE'S NOT WHAT WE WANT IN LEADERS AND REPUBLICANS SHOULD DO BETTER TO IMPEACH HIM AND START OVER.

>> KERRY, I WILL SAY THIS PERSONALLY, I THINK YOU AND I DISAGREE ABOUT EVERY SINGLE ISSUE.

YOU CAN DO THAT AFTER WE GET RID OF THIS DICTATOR, IT'S OKAY.

IT WILL TAKE ALL OF US TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE.

WE NEED TO STAND UP TO THE RULE OF LAW RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE PRESIDENT I WILL AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

>> DO YOU THINK HE IS MORE ERRATIC THESE DAYS BECAUSE HE'S PETRIFIED OF THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY POSITION?

IT LOOKS FOR ALL THE WORLD LIKE THEY'VE GOT HIM ON VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION.

>> HERE'S WHAT I THINK, BONNIE.

I THINK THE FIRST RULE OF DEALING WITH THE SOCIOPATHIC AND I BELIEVE HE IS AMONG OTHER THINGS, IS THAT YOU DON'T TRY TO GET INTO THE PSYCHOLOGY AND EXPLAIN IT.

INSTEAD, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS FOCUS ON OURSELVES AND OUR DEMOCRACY AND HOW WE TAKE IT BACK AND HOW WE MAKE SURE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD SO THAT OUR LAWS MEAN SOMETHING.

>> YET, WHEN THERE IS TALK ABOUT EMOLUMENTS AND ETC., HE STAGES THE G7 MEETING AT ONE OF HIS PROPERTIES, MEANING HE'S ENRICHING HIMSELF WITH THE DECISION.

THERE IS NOTHING -- DOES ANYTHING GET THROUGH TO HIM?

>> I THINK YOU HAVE HAD PRESIDENTS HOSTING WORLD LEADERS AT THEIR ESTATES IN MANY OCCASIONS.

>> NO, NO, NO.

TALKING ABOUT AT A HOTEL.

IT'S ONE THING TO HOST IT AT YOUR HOUSE.

YOU DON'T MAKE ANY MONEY OFF OF THAT.

IT'S QUITE ANOTHER TO BASE IT AT YOUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WHERE, YES, HIS COMPANY AND HIS SONS AND EVENTUALLY HIM MAKE -- PERSONALLY MAKE MONEY OFF OF THAT.

>> HIS POLICIES ARE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, ANY PROFITS ARE GIVEN BACK TO THE TREASURY LIKE HIS OWN SALARY.

HE DOES NOT TAKE A SALARY.

THE MEDIA DOES NOT TALK ABOUT THIS.

EVERY QUARTER HE DONATES SALARY TO THE TREASURY.

DO THE BIGGER POINT ON THE QUESTION OF LEGITIMACY AND THE IMPEACHMENT, I WOULD RECOMMEND KIMBERLY STOSSEL'S BOOK, WALL STREET EDITORIAL WRITER, AND SHE LOOKS AT THE MAJOR PUBLIC.

IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOF YALE, WHEN SALLY AG'S WAS ATTORNEY GENERAL, SHE DEFIED AN ORDER.

YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE EROSION OF THE ROLE OF LAW, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS BEING HELD IN SECRET AND IT AN UNPRECEDENTED MANNER, EVERY SINGLE OTHER PRIOR IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDING WAS TAKEN AND PROCEEDED IN A MANNER THAT ALLOWED FOR DUE PROCESS THAT ALLOWED FOR TRANSPARENCY -- >> I THINK THERE WAS A STORY OUT LAST WEEK ABOUT HIM FOR GOING HIS $400,000 SALARY BECAUSE HE SPENT 287 TIMES THAT AMOUNT OF TAXPAYERS' MONEY ON HIS PERSONAL SECURITY CHARGE TO THE GOVERNMENT.

GO AHEAD.

>> ABSOLUTELY SICKENING.HEN YOU HAVE A DEBATE ON PROCESS, YOU HAVE LOST THE ARGUMENT.

ULTIMATELY, WHAT WE ARE FACED WITH IS A MORAL CRISIS FOR THIS COUNTRY AND WE NEED TO, LIKE I SAY, BAND TOGETHER, GET TO THE OTHER SIDE.

>> CANNOT CORRECT SOMETHING ONCE AGAIN?

AND IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY IS LIKE LAW ENFORCEMENT DOING ITS OWN WORK.

THEN, OF COURSE, THE OTHER SIDE CAN ANSWER.

BEFORE THERE IS AN INDICTMENT FOR IT, WE DON'T HAVE -- YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY TO THE U.S. ATTORNEY LET ME SEE WHAT YOU'VE GOT ON ME, SO YOU SHOULD NOT SAY THAT WE ARE VIOLATING WHAT IS REQUIRED.

WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO MAKE THE OTHER SIDE A PART OF THE U.S. ATTORNEY'S, THAT'S WHO WE ARE, THE INVESTIGATION.

>> Bonnie: LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.

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FROM VIRAL PHOTOS TO VIRAL CAMPAIGNS AS THE #METOO MOVEMENT COMMEMORATES ITS SECOND ANNIVERSARY OF GOING VIRAL, THE MOVEMENT'S FOUNDER ALONG WITH ADVOCATES FORM A VARIETY OF WOMEN'S RIGHTS AND JUSTICE GROUPS SAY IT'S TIME FOR THE NEXT STEP.

THEY WANT TO UP THE ANTE AND PUSH FOR LEGISLATIVE ACTION AND STRONG GOVERNMENT POLICIES.

IT'S CALLED #METOOVOTER, AN ONLINE CAMPAIGN TO PRESSURE POLITICAL LEADERS FOR REAL SOLUTIONS ADDRESSING AND PREVENTING SEXUAL VIOLENCE AND HARASSMENT.

THE LEADERS SAY WHEN #METOO WENT VIRAL AND THOUSANDS OF WOMEN CAME FORWARD WITH SEXUAL ASSAULT ALLEGATIONS, POLITICAL LEADERS SAID THEY WOULD TAKE ACTION.

BUT MOVEMENT LEADERS SAY NOT ENOUGH HAS BEEN DONE.

>> Fatima Goss Graves: NEED TO VOTERS BOTH ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT SURVIVORS ARE ALSO CONSTITUENTS, THEY ARE VOTERS, AND IT IS A CALL TO ACTION FOR ALL OF US TO GEAR UP AND DEMAND THAT OUR POLICYMAKERS, OUR ELECTIVES, ANYONE RUNNING FOR ANY OFFICE DEFINITELY TELL US WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE TO RESPOND TO THE ONCE IN A GENERATION CULTURAL MOMENT WE HAVE HAD.

>> Bonnie: A NEW SURVEY FROM THE NATIONAL WOMEN'S LAW CENTER FOUND TWO-THIRDS OF VOTERS AGREE LAWMAKERS MUST DO MORE.

THEY SAY THEY'LL USE THE COLLECTIVE POWER TO HOLD POLITICAL LEADERS AND CANDIDATES ACCOUNTABLE AT THE BALLOT BOX AND IN THEIR OVERALL LEADERSHIP.

>> Fatima Goss Graves: PEOPLE ARE UNDERESTIMATING THE POWER OF SURVIVORS.

WE HAVE SEEN WHAT'S POSSIBLE WHEN SURVIVORS COME TOGETHER IN SOLIDARITY.

THEY HAVE MANAGED TO DRAMATICALLY CHANGE CULTURE AND IT'S SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

IN SOME STATES, THEY'VE BEEN FORCED TO IMPROVE THEIR LAWS AT 15 STATES HAVE ACTUALLY TAKEN ACTION TO IMPROVE THEIR LAWS SINCE #METOO WENT VIRAL.UT IT'S FAR FROM ENOUGH.

THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN CARRYING THE BURDEN OF SAYING #METOO WITHOUT SEEING THE RIGHT LEVEL OF ACTION DESERVE BETTER.

>> Bonnie: SO, CAN YOU PREDICT, AND I KNOW POLITICAL PREDICTIONS ARE WORTH WHAT YOU PAY FOR, BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE SO QUICKLY, BUT DO YOU THINK THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PULL IT OFF?

WILL THEY BE ABLE TO TURN THE MILLIONS OF WOMEN WHO WENT ONLINE AND TWEETED #METOO, IT HAPPENED TO ME, I WAS SEXUALLY ASSAULTED, ACTUALLY HARASSED, INTO VOTERS AT THE BALLOT BOX NEXT YEAR?

>> I THINK THAT REMAINS IT TO BE SEEN BECAUSE THIS MOVEMENT WAS SO UNIQUE IN ITS OWN WAY AND THAT IT REALLY STARTED AS A MOVEMENT MEANT TO TEAR DOWN THESE POWERFUL MEN AND CIRCLES OF MEN AND REALLY THE ELITES WHO ARE REALLY PUTTING THESE YOUNGER WOMEN AT RISK.

>> DIDN'T WE GET A PREVIEW IN THE 2018 ELECTIONS THAT LET THE DEMOCRATS TAKE THE HOUSE BACK, PRODUCED ALL KINDS OF NEW YOUNG WOMEN, WOMEN OF COLOR IN THE HOUSE, NEW REPUBLICANS, MORE NEW DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, BUT ADDITIONAL REPUBLICANS AS WELL?

>> AND THAT'S WHERE I WILL SAY SOMETHING THAT IT'S PROBABLY PRETTY UNPOPULAR.

I DON'T SEE THE CONNECTION FULLY.

I'M ABOUT BEING PEOPLE BEING DRIVEN TO THE BALLOT BOX.

I THINK EVERYONE NEEDS TO TAKE THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE VERY SERIOUSLY.

THE MOVEMENT WAS ABOUT LETTING PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN COME OUT OF THE SHADOWS, GIVING CIRCLES OF POWER TO WOMEN, PUTTING THE POWER BACK IN WOMEN'S HANDS.

DOES THAT MEAN THEY HAVE TO VOTE A CERTAIN WAY?

DO THEY HAVE TO VOTE BLUE JUST BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE BLEEDERS OF THE MOVEMENT?

I DON'T THINK SO.

I DON'T THINK THIS MOVEMENT SHOULD BE CONNECTED TO VOTING ENTIRELY.

THERE ARE WOMEN OUT THERE WHO ARE SORT OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, A CHILLY EXCLUSIVE.

>> YEAH.

I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT.

REMEMBER TITLE 27 OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACTS COVER SEXUAL HARASSMENT.

WHAT IS THIS?

THIS IS #METOO -- WAS THE OTHER WORD?

>> ME TO O VOTERS.

>> AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY SEEM TO BE AFTER, THEY SEEM TO BE AFTER SOME KIND -- BEYOND EMEDY, SOME KIND OF BENEFITS TO THESE WOMEN WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS.

THEY NEED TO CLARIFY WHAT THEY WANT.

THEY ALREADY HAVE A REMEDY WHEN THEY SPEAK OF STATES THAT HAVE DONE THIS, I THINK THOSE STATES HAVE TRIED TO PROVIDE AN REMEDY.

THEY SEEM TO WANT MORE THAN A REMEDY.

THEY SEEM TO WANT SOME HELP FOR THESE WOMEN, BUT THEIR FOCUS ON VOTING IS DIRECTLY WHERE THEY SHOULD BE.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WOULD APPEAL TO DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS -- >> WAIT A SECOND.

LET'S BRING PRESIDENT TRUMP BACK INTO THIS DISCUSSION.

>> THAT'S DIFFERENT.

>> BECAUSE YOU DON'T THINK THERE IS SUCH -- PROGRESSIVE WOMEN, LET'S FACE IT, ARE COMPLETELY OUTRAGED BY THIS PRESIDENT.

PROGRESSIVE MEN AS WELL, BUT PARTICULARLY WOMEN.

SO REPUBLICAN VOTERS JUST VOTE ALL THE TIME.

THEY ARE MORE LOYAL TO THEIR PARTY WHEREAS DEMOCRATS, IT SEEMS TO ME, SOMETIMES HAVE TO BE DRAGGED OUT OF THEIR CAVES TO GET TO THE POLLS.

THERE IS HATE, ANGER THERE.

THERE IS A WISH FOR RETRIBUTION.

>> IF ANYTHING, I THINK IT'SA MESSAGE TO THE DEMOCRATS WHO ARE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

THEY DON'T THINK THESE #METOO WOMEN DON'T THINK THEY HAVE HAD ENOUGH TO SAY ABOUT THE ISSUES AND THEY ARE RIGHT.

PART IF THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE TELEVISION HAS PUT THESE -- WHAT DO WE CALL THEM?

>> Bonnie: HASHTAGS?

>> NO, WE HAVE BEEN HAVING THESE -- >> TOWN HALLS?>> WHY IS THIS ESCAPING ME?

WHEN THEY GET TOGETHER FOR THESE DEBATES.

>> PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES.

>> THE DEBATES HAVE NOT FOCUSED ENOUGH, AND THE WOMEN AND MEN, AND REMEMBER FOUR OF THEM ARE WOMEN, HAVE NOT BROUGHT UP THIS ISSUE.

I THINK THEY ARE SPEAKING TO BOTH THOSE OF US WHO ARE DEMOCRATS, ESPECIALLY THOSE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, ANTI-TRUMP, NOT TO TRUMP ALONE.

>> I WILL AGREE WITH YOU THAT THERE IS A BIPARTISAN ISSUE.

WOMEN'S EMPOWERMENT, WANTING TO PREVENT SEXUAL HARRASSMENT, THAT SOMETHING THAT I THINK WOULD UNITE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS TOGETHER.

I THINK THERE IS A BROADER CULTURAL MOVEMENT WITH #METOO.

FOR CONSERVATIVE WOMEN, SOMETIMES IT'S PROBLEMATIC WHEN PEOPLE THEN TRY TO MAKE IT A PARTISAN ISSUE.

IT SHOULD REALLY BE, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE WITH THE WOMEN'S MARCH THAT HAPPENED AROUND INAUGURATION DAY, A LOT OF CONSERVATIVE WOMEN WERE NOT ALLOWED.

THEY WERE TOLD IF YOU WERE PRO-LIFE, YOU ARE NOT WELCOME TO BE PART OF THIS #METOO MOVEMENT OR THIS #METOO MARCH.

IT WAS EXCLUSIONARY.

I THINK IF WE GET PROGRESS FOR WOMEN, WE SHOULD ALL BE EMPOWERING WOMEN AND THEN WE CAN HAVE SPECIFIC POLICY DISAGREEMENTS.

>> AS A #METOO VOTER, IT HAS NO PARTISAN SHIP ATTACHED TO IT.

YOU'VE GOT WHAT YOU WANT.

>> TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY DO WANT ONCE THEY GET POWER AT THE BALLOT BOXO THEY WANT THINGS LIKE MANDATORY PAY DISCLOSURE BY PUBLIC CORPORATIONS?

SO THAT WOMEN CAN KNOW WHEN THEY ARE BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST?

>> IS A GRASSROOTS PERSON, THEY ARE MESSY.

WHAT'S REALLY FOR?

I THINK THAT SOMETHING THAT THE ORGANIZERS ARE VERY INTENTIONALLY GALVANIZING RIGHT NOW.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC POLICIES, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE MANDATORY ARBITRATION CLAUSES THAT PEOPLE ARE FORCED TO SIGN WHEN THEY START WITH AN EMPLOYER AND THERE WAS NO WAY THEY CAN ACTUALLY GO AND SUE AND GET -- >> WHICH WALL STREET HAS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

>> HUGE ISSUE AND INTIMATELY INTERCONNECTED WITH #METOO ISSUES THAT ARISE BETTER SEX ED AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

>> LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.

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FROM #METOOVOTERS TO TRANSGENDER ATHLETES.

FEMALE TRANSGENDER ATHLETES MUST LIMIT THEIR TESTOSTERONE LEVELS TO PARTICIPATE IN TRACK- AND-FIELD EVENTS, ACCORDING TO A NEW RULING FROM THE SPORT'S GOVERNING BODY.

THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF ATHLETICS FEDERATION HAS CUT IN HALF ITS TESTOSTERONE LIMIT FOR ATHLETES WISHING TO COMPETE IN WOMEN'S EVENTS, IN PART DUE TO NEW DATA.

THE DATA SHOW TESTOSTERONE SIGNIFICANTLY BOOSTS WOMEN'S ATHLETIC PERFORMANCE.

THESE RESULTS COME FROM SOME OF THE FIRST TRIALS EVER UNDERTAKEN TO TEST THIS QUESTION.

WHILE IT HAS LONG BEEN ASSUMED THAT TESTOSTERONE HAD THIS EFFECT, THERE WAS A SURPRISING LACK OF SCIENTIFIC DATA ON THIS POINT.

SIMILAR GUIDELINES FOR WOMEN WHO ARE NOT TRANSGENDER BUT SHOW ELEVATED LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE HAVE ALREADY BEEN DISPUTED.

CASTER SEMENYA, AN OLYMPIC GOLD MEDAL RUNNER, IS CHALLENGING A RULING THAT ORDERED HER TO TAKE DRUGS TO LOWER HER TESTOSTERONE LEVELS.

SHE MISSED THE 2019 WORLD ATHLETICS CHAMPIONSHIPS BECAUSE HER APPEAL IS PENDING.

>> Bonnie: AARON, -- ERIN, SO AS A RECENT MARATHONER, DO YOU THINK IT IS FAIR THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO LOWER TESTOSTERONE'S FOR WOMEN WHO WANT TO COMPETE AS WOMEN?

>> YEAH.

I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR AT ALL AND I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING REALLY DISGUSTING AND DISTURBING ABOUT THIS IDEA THAT PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE MEDICINE OR BE CHEMICALLY ALTERED BY AN ABSTRACT BODY IN ORDER TO COMPETE IN A SPORT.

WHAT HAPPENED TO -- I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THE ISSUE OF TRANS GENDER IS DIFFERENT FROM INTERSEX ATHLETES.

WHAT UNITES THEM IS THAT WE HAVE THIS INCREDIBLE SPECULATION UPON BODIES AND PARTICULARLY ON WOMEN'S BODIES OR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT CISGENDER MEN, PEOPLE WHO ARE ASSIGNED MAIL AT BIRTH.

LET'S LET PEOPLE COMPETE.

I RECENTLY TRIED TO RUN 1/2 MARATHON, TRIED TO MAKE MY OWN JERSEY THAT SAID LET CASTER SEMENYA RUN.

I'M HORRIFIED WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO HER.

I THINK IN THIS CASE IT'S NOT FAIRT'S A NONEXISTENT PROBLEM.

TALKING ABOUT LESS THAN 1 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION IS TRANSGENDERED.

AS A DEVOTED RUNNER WHO REALLY WORKS HARD FOR MY TIME, I'M NOT THREATENED BY THIS AT ALL.

>> YOUR THOUGHTS?

>> I WOULD DISAGREE IN TERMS OF WHEN IT COMES TO COMPETING FOR -- IN SPORTS.

SPORTS, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT TESTOSTERONE BUT OTHER ISSUES, PHYSICALLY THE BONE MUSCLE STRUCTURE, THE BONE MASS, THE ACTUAL LUNG CAPACITY, THE HEART CAPACITY.

FOR MALES WHO ARE BORN MALE AND EVEN IF THEY WANT TO TRANSITION LATER ON, IT'S PHYSICALLY DIFFERENT.

EVEN IF YOU'RE TAKING TESTOSTERONE INJECTIONS OR NOT, YOU ARE PHYSICALLY SUPERIOR TO A PERSON WHO WAS BORN FEMALE IN TERMS OF ATHLETIC PERFORMANCE.

IT WAS A CASE THAT SPENDING IN CONNECTICUT WHERE A HIGH SCHOOL GIRL, SHE AND TWO COLLEAGUES WERE BORN FEMALE, ELITE FEMALE ATHLETES, AND THEY HAD BEEN CHAMPIONS BEFORE BUT THEN TWO INDIVIDUALS WHO HAD BEEN BORN MALE AND WANTED TO TRANSGENDERED TO FEMALE KNOCKED THEM OUT OF THE SPOTS.

WE SEE THIS OVER AND OVER AND YOU CAN SEE IT HAPPENING THEORETICALLY IN THE LEGISLATURE TENNIS, MULTIPLE OTHER SPORTS.

I AM ALL FOR RESPECTING AND USING THE PRONOUNCE THAT A INDIVIDUAL WISHES TO USE, BUT I DO THINK WHEN IT COMES TO TITLE IX AND THE VICTORIES THAT WOMEN HAVE FOUGHT FOR, TO HAVE ANY SORT OF RECOGNITION THAT WOMEN'S SPORTS SHOULD BE EQUAL UNDER THE LAW.

IT WOULD RUIN ALL OF THAT.

>> YOU KNOW, THE THOUGHT IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT EVERYTHING IS EQUAL.

THIS IS A VERY NEW SCIENCE.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE KNOWN THE EFFECT OF TESTOSTERONE.

MORE SCIENCE NEEDS TO BE DONE.

AT THE MOMENT, THE WHOLE NOTION OF WOMEN COMPETING AGAINST OTHER WOMEN WHOSE TESTOSTERONE LEVELS ARE AT THE LEVELS OF MEN BOTHERS ME.

AND I DO THINK WE NEED MORE SCIENCE, BUT I ALSO THINK WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE GIRLS TO CONTINUE TO GO INTO SPORTS AND TO BELIEVE THAT ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL IS STILL THE RULE OF THE GAME.

>> I THINK IT'S ABOUT EQUALITY.

I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T FEEL THREATENED AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT, THAT THEY ARE TRANSGENDER FOLKS THAT WANT TO GET OUT AND JUST REALLY FEEL LIKE IN EVERY WAY OF THEIR LIFE THAT THEY ARE WITH THE SEX THEY IDENTIFY AS.

>> WHAT ABOUT -- I KNOW IT'S THE FIRST SIGNS TO CONFIRM THIS, BUT HOW CAN YOU NOT -- IF YOU DID NOT START HORMONE THERAPY UNTIL -- LET'S SAY YOU ARE INTERSEX, BORN INTERSEX WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE GENITALS OF BOTH GENDERS AND THEY MADE YOU A BOY BUT YOU GREW UP KNOWING THAT YOU FELT LIKE YOU WHERE A GIRL.

ANYWAY, WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME, BUT HOW CAN A GIRL -- SOMEONE WHO WAS BORN A GIRL POSSIBLY HAVE THE BONE LENGTH, THE HEIGHT, THE MUSCLE MASS THAT SOMEONE WHO WAS BORN A BOY -- >> THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO BE REAL AND HONEST AND THAT EQUALITY IS ABOUT LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE ANATOMY.

THAT'S WHERE I BELIEVE WE SHOULD KEEP IT.

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